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1Is it normal? Empty Is it normal? Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:50 pm

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Hello. Few days ago i got my Ceclius MX2 with the stock cylinder(350 FPS) Today i had the chance to skirmish it. The range kinda sucked. after 30-35m M the bbs were on the flor.30 with 0.25 ICS and 35 with 0.20 Goldenball. I tryed to adjust the hop up. Also the grouping kinda sucked. After the game i cleaned my barrel and there was some nasty dirt/dust. Maybe i should cleaned the berrel before i skirmished. Anyway is it normal range 35m with 350 FPS cylinder?The bbs were droping on the flor very fast.With the hopup more tight, bbs were going up and after that, straight on the flor.Also, the accuracy was horibile. I havent test the accuracy after cleaning the barrel. Anyway if u have any tips to improve range accuracy let me know. If i have any news i will let u know. Smile

2Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:41 pm

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nosfyrus wrote:Hello. Few days ago i got my Ceclius MX2 with the stock cylinder(350 FPS) Today i had the chance to skirmish it. The range kinda sucked. after 30-35m M the bbs were on the flor.30 with 0.25 ICS and 35 with 0.20 Goldenball. I tryed to adjust the hop up. Also the grouping kinda sucked. After the game i cleaned my barrel and there was some nasty dirt/dust. Maybe i should cleaned the berrel before i skirmished. Anyway is it normal range 35m with 350 FPS cylinder?The bbs were droping on the flor very fast.With the hopup more tight, bbs were going up and after that, straight on the flor.Also, the accuracy was horibile. I havent test the accuracy after cleaning the barrel. Anyway if u have any tips to improve range accuracy let me know. If i have any news i will let u know. Smile

Clean the barrel,clean the barrel and clean it again.. it doesnt seem to dirty,but i went trough mine with thin rag dipped in transmission oil (lots of you are probably wtf`ing right now,but i didn`t have gun or chain oil lying around at the time) ,ran it trough the barrel about 3-4times, then i cleaned it with a clean rag and silicone oil for 3-4 time until the barrel looked sparkling clean insinde. That helped the range on mine,but when this is happening,are you using origanal mags or other types.. i have problems with this happening when i use my Vanaras mags.. but when i use my original CTW mag i get about 60meters before the bb starts to drop.

3Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:15 pm

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As odin said very true clean it with silicon oil a few times that helps and the hop up turns on when u have the screw all the way out. Also chrono your gun. Cause mine I was using a 400 cylinder and I had a busted o ring apparently or I hope and I was chroning with .25 at like 298 300ish. With .25 I should be at 400 if not alittle more. That greatly affected my range.

4Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:31 pm

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nosfyrus wrote:Hello. Few days ago i got my Ceclius MX2 with the stock cylinder(350 FPS) Today i had the chance to skirmish it. The range kinda sucked. after 30-35m M the bbs were on the flor.30 with 0.25 ICS and 35 with 0.20 Goldenball. I tryed to adjust the hop up. Also the grouping kinda sucked. After the game i cleaned my barrel and there was some nasty dirt/dust. Maybe i should cleaned the berrel before i skirmished. Anyway is it normal range 35m with 350 FPS cylinder?The bbs were droping on the flor very fast.With the hopup more tight, bbs were going up and after that, straight on the flor.Also, the accuracy was horibile. I havent test the accuracy after cleaning the barrel. Anyway if u have any tips to improve range accuracy let me know. If i have any news i will let u know. Smile

A brand new CTW you got came with a dirty barrel? Evil or Very Mad
Lets just hope it is simply the barrel because I cannot belive that a brand new made gun comes with a dirty stock barrel ( possible ) but to achieve such results sounds very crappy. Dude, keep us posted on what happens after you cleaned it.

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5Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:41 am

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Just sent a message to Asiarsoft and one to celcius.I am really pissed!!!

Hello. I am really not satisfied with my purches. I buyed an celciusm mx2 from you as NEW.
1)when it arrived, at first fiering test an imitation screw felt off . Was to big to fit in the hole and it has been glued and felt off again ( Its to big and its not fitting inside)

2) During the gameplay another imitation screw felt. GREAT
3) The bbs were going down on 35m with stock cylinder. ????!!!???? Cleaned the barrle and it was full with dirt.. cleand it until my rod broke.
4) I did again a fiering test with ICS 0.25 and my nozzle broke!! Thats why i buyed another today!!
5) The replica has a huge wobble between lower and upper reciever!
6)Internal Setor Gear has a small wobble.


And i treat my gun very well. i buyd a aluminium case for protection.

NOW... What the hell i am suposed to do with this gun? it arrived 4 days ago.
If u want i can make a mvie and post it on youtube so you can convince yourself.

Waiting an solution answer.

6Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:12 pm

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nosfyrus wrote:Just sent a message to Asiarsoft and one to celcius.I am really pissed!!!

Hello. I am really not satisfied with my purches. I buyed an celciusm mx2 from you as NEW.
1)when it arrived, at first fiering test an imitation screw felt off . Was to big to fit in the hole and it has been glued and felt off again ( Its to big and its not fitting inside)

2) During the gameplay another imitation screw felt. GREAT
3) The bbs were going down on 35m with stock cylinder. ????!!!???? Cleaned the barrle and it was full with dirt.. cleand it until my rod broke.
4) I did again a fiering test with ICS 0.25 and my nozzle broke!! Thats why i buyed another today!!
5) The replica has a huge wobble between lower and upper reciever!
6)Internal Setor Gear has a small wobble.


And i treat my gun very well. i buyd a aluminium case for protection.

NOW... What the hell i am suposed to do with this gun? it arrived 4 days ago.
If u want i can make a mvie and post it on youtube so you can convince yourself.

Waiting an solution answer.

Jees, this does not sound juicy!
Can you post up a vid of all this mumbo jumbo? What a Face

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7Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:33 pm

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All this does not sound promising.. I haven't recieved mine yet. Maybe there are just a few lemons out there, but I believe that if you purchase a $600 gun even though it's a "clone" it should have better quality control than this.
Please keep us posted.

8Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:34 pm

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I just got mine last week and have the same issues minus no parts fell off and my sector gears fine. But I did blow my nozzle and my hop ups shot and missing motor pins. Not to happy but I'm just fixing this shit myself instead of dealing with celcius but if all goes well for you with them let me know cause I'm gonna then go and complain

9Is it normal? Empty wow Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:13 pm

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There should be( given quality control) no gun that breaks during your firing or out of the box. They should break given improper user fault, or wear over time. If this is something that comes out of the box as a new product and you guys are having similar issues, then you should the least be furious because 700.00 is not cheap ( including batt). I would either get it repaired from the shop or return and never buy this clone again. Evil or Very Mad

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10Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:17 pm

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snakedoc wrote:All this does not sound promising.. I haven't recieved mine yet. Maybe there are just a few lemons out there, but I believe that if you purchase a $600 gun even though it's a "clone" it should have better quality control than this.
Please keep us posted.

When you get yours please put up your findings

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11Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:18 pm

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blindmank13 wrote:I just got mine last week and have the same issues minus no parts fell off and my sector gears fine. But I did blow my nozzle and my hop ups shot and missing motor pins. Not to happy but I'm just fixing this shit myself instead of dealing with celcius but if all goes well for you with them let me know cause I'm gonna then go and complain

Dude, that sounds horrible. How did you manage to do this? Do you think you caused this damage?

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12Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:23 pm

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Everything in my lower has been fine. It had alittle hick up but was ok. My upper has been nothing but proeblematic. i bought a 400 cylinder from another area i messed it up alittle and lost fps i believe and i may have damaged the hop up which cause the original cylinder to bust idk but doubtful but i made one working cylinder i hope from two but when i pulled my hop up apart to see the damage and what i needed to replace i found they never installed the hop up packing so there were a few parts missing from my gun im not too angry cause i always look at it as whatever break you get better parts more familiar with gun etc but yea if someone complains i will join right in alright informed claudio at hotspot and he will be notifying celcius on my behalf. but i still plan on getting a mx2 cqb as a backup just incase there's an issue and making that gun real nasty lol. All in all I would say the ctw is a great gun. Do you need to be careful at what you do and how you use absolutely but not for nothing ptws have some similiar issues and our parts are half the price of systema parts so you really can't complain in that regards.

13Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:58 pm

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The problem is the value i paid in total for this replica. I paid 1000 USD for Celcisu + 2 batteys + 2 mags + burst ecu + shipping... And all i get is lemon with upper and lower reciever wobbeling, dirty barrle, wobbeling sector gear, nozzle broke after the first game, screws that dont fit because they are to large, and a medium range of 35m with stock 350FPS cylinder. GREAT!

I sent them a video with all the problems...


If they are serius guys they should change it or refound.

14Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:22 pm

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I have the same wobble but isn't like horrid and doesn't affect anything. Hopefully they help you out.

15Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:34 am

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nosfyrus wrote:The problem is the value i paid in total for this replica. I paid 1000 USD for Celcisu + 2 batteys + 2 mags + burst ecu + shipping... And all i get is lemon with upper and lower reciever wobbeling, dirty barrle, wobbeling sector gear, nozzle broke after the first game, screws that dont fit because they are to large, and a medium range of 35m with stock 350FPS cylinder. GREAT!

I sent them a video with all the problems...


If they are serius guys they should change it or refound.

Dont panic, you could get the same quality if you would buy Systema SuperMax for 2000$. Somtimes they have a crapy unnits as-well. So take care of your gun, make some maintanance and see what you can do yourself.

You have to put your hands on it to get the stuff running. Unfortunatelly that is the way it goes in airsoft, even if you`re using so called High-End AEG.

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16Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:06 am

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I also sent 4 emails to celcius regarding the same issues for myself but..... I purchased all new parts some upgraded to make a better gun. Use this as an opportunity to learn your gun and only make it better. Did you check your fps on your gun cause if its real low like below whatever the cylinder number is with .25 then they forgot your hop up packing like mine.

17Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:03 am

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Ok guys... Thank you for advices. I have speak with the staff from asiarsoft, they will sned me all the parts i need to fix it. Parts for cylinder, sector gear and the screw that felt.

1)They said that wont wobble with cylinder wich is false. It has same wobble.
*** Fix: Cut a piece of a soda can and glue it between upper and lower reciever. It wont wobble.

2)The barrle was very dirty, i have speak with other celcius owners, and they didnt have this problem when they get their replica. so its not NORMAL and i have to clean it because i lose accuracy and the range is VERY low. i am outranged by a JG ... FFS .. It may have mafromations from fabric.. thats why the nozzle broke. I dont know.

3) I hope that the sector gear they will send me wont wobble.


This is the mail i got from asiarsoft

Hi,

Thank you for showing us the video. The manufacturer agree to send you free replacement for the broken and missing parts.

When you installing the nozzle, please add red glue for screw in it, and leave it for a day to dry.

Regarding the movement of the upper and lower receiver without cylinder is common. PTW has this same problem, but if you install the cylinder it will not wobble.

The CTW barrel's design is unique. The barrel is crowned and ported, the surface inside the barrel is not shiny as usual AEG barrel, it is because there are some kind of chemical covering the surface, and this process makes the barrel looks dirty. It is the final finish to protect your barrel and to give more accuracy. We suggest that you do not modify it or open the barrel.

Please feel free to contact us if you have any question. We are terribly sorry for what happened.

Best regards,
Ben



[b]AND STILL... AFTER ALL THIS SH*T I DIDNT LOST MY FAITH IN CELCIUS OR ASIARSOFT... SH*T HAPPENDS.. BUT IT MUST BE FIXED! SO I HOPE THEY WILL MAKE MY REPLICA WILL WORK AS A NORMAL MX2 .

18Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:22 pm

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Remember with .25s, you will get a reduction in fps...roughly around 35fps reduction, if my math is correct.

E = 1/2(m * v^2)

19Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:24 pm

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nosfyrus wrote:Ok guys... Thank you for advices. I have speak with the staff from asiarsoft, they will sned me all the parts i need to fix it. Parts for cylinder, sector gear and the screw that felt.

1)They said that wont wobble with cylinder wich is false. It has same wobble.
*** Fix: Cut a piece of a soda can and glue it between upper and lower reciever. It wont wobble.

2)The barrle was very dirty, i have speak with other celcius owners, and they didnt have this problem when they get their replica. so its not NORMAL and i have to clean it because i lose accuracy and the range is VERY low. i am outranged by a JG ... FFS .. It may have mafromations from fabric.. thats why the nozzle broke. I dont know.

3) I hope that the sector gear they will send me wont wobble.

Damn you, where is this video? Sent a link


This is the mail i got from asiarsoft

Hi,

Thank you for showing us the video. The manufacturer agree to send you free replacement for the broken and missing parts.

When you installing the nozzle, please add red glue for screw in it, and leave it for a day to dry.

Regarding the movement of the upper and lower receiver without cylinder is common. PTW has this same problem, but if you install the cylinder it will not wobble.

The CTW barrel's design is unique. The barrel is crowned and ported, the surface inside the barrel is not shiny as usual AEG barrel, it is because there are some kind of chemical covering the surface, and this process makes the barrel looks dirty. It is the final finish to protect your barrel and to give more accuracy. We suggest that you do not modify it or open the barrel.

Please feel free to contact us if you have any question. We are terribly sorry for what happened.

Best regards,
Ben



[b]AND STILL... AFTER ALL THIS SH*T I DIDNT LOST MY FAITH IN CELCIUS OR ASIARSOFT... SH*T HAPPENDS.. BUT IT MUST BE FIXED! SO I HOPE THEY WILL MAKE MY REPLICA WILL WORK AS A NORMAL MX2 .

https://www.youtube.com/coolstuffreviews

20Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:25 pm

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nosfyrus wrote:[...]The CTW barrel's design is unique. The barrel is crowned and ported, the surface inside the barrel is not shiny as usual AEG barrel, it is because there are some kind of chemical covering the surface, and this process makes the barrel looks dirty. It is the final finish to protect your barrel and to give more accuracy. We suggest that you do not modify it or open the barrel.[...]
meaning that we shouldn't clean the barrel? really?? because from what i have been reading, this is the first thing you have to do after opening the ctw box.

21Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:38 pm

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Im actually surpriced from this myself... i actually improved the performace after cleaning the barrel. Weird...

22Is it normal? Empty wow Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:31 pm

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This is complete bologny. This is all messed up and sounds crazy its all over the place. Is this CTW worth the trouble or maybe just get KWA?

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23Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:37 pm

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dkorol2008 wrote:This is complete bologny. This is all messed up and sounds crazy its all over the place. Is this CTW worth the trouble or maybe just get KWA?

I love my CTW.. have no issues with it.. except the vanars mags. But thats not the guns fault.. if you want a troublefree gun for inexperienced players,Then choose a normal AEG. I prefer something uniqe, and i love the realism from the gun... Besides, i like to figure out how stuff works and how to improve it. So buying a CTW for me were the right choice.

But everyone has theyr own taste, and i most likely have been lucky with my CTW compared to others(knocks on wood not to jinx myself..lol). So my advice would be choose what you think is best.. not what everyone else thinks. But with that said, i wouldn`t recommend a CTW OR a PTW for people who don`t know how to fix or mod a airsoft gun. But again,thats what i think..

24Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:11 pm

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I agree with odins statement. I got one that had issues and I know how to work on these weapons. But I treat it like my friends treat the motors in there cars. When something breaks replace it with better parts or install it yourself in a better way.

Even though my gun is currently down and was having issues. I purchased the approiate parts and wasn't much. But if your throwing the idea around of ptw or ctw. I can say this much. After what happened with mine. Systema quality control may be alittle better but in no way means all parts are better or stronger than celcius. Systema bodies are alittle stronger but celcius cylinders are better. So in my opinion buying a ctw is way better as parts are cheaper and if I needed to get a part that was maybe better for my ctw I would buy a systema part and pay alittle more for one part. The game I went to this sunday had ptw and ctw owners and I must say even with my no hop up seal so I had horrid fps and range. Other than that on that day I had no issues but ptws were having crazy issues left and right. One guy with a ptw even said to me I'm buying a ctw cause this things a pain and I'm not spending 100 more for a systema part when celcius parts are cheaper.

25Is it normal? Empty Re: Is it normal? Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:47 pm

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nosfyrus wrote:When you installing the nozzle, please add red glue for screw in it, and leave it for a day to dry.

Regarding the movement of the upper and lower receiver without cylinder is common. PTW has this same problem, but if you install the cylinder it will not wobble.

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Please feel free to contact us if you have any question. We are terribly sorry for what happened.

Best regards,
Ben

Ben is full of crap.
• using red glue (aka loctite) anywhere on ANY airsoft gun is stupid. Red is permanent and the only way to break that Loctite is by HEATING the affected screw/bolt with a torch. Think about it if you ever have to change your nozzle you'll need to heat that screw up. Just use BLUE
• Most PTWs don't have the upper to lower wobble problem that your CTW has. Ceclius doesn't make the holes for the receiver pins in tight tolerances which causes the wobbles. Celcius also paints they uppers and lowers unevenly which can also contribute to the two parts not mating together tightly. There was even a thread here where a CTW owner showed pics of the ovaled pin holes .. he got a new body from his vendor.


blindmank13 wrote:Even though my gun is currently down and was having issues. I purchased the approiate parts and wasn't much. But if your throwing the idea around of ptw or ctw. I can say this much. After what happened with mine. Systema quality control may be alittle better but in no way means all parts are better or stronger than celcius. Systema bodies are alittle stronger but celcius cylinders are better. So in my opinion buying a ctw is way better as parts are cheaper and if I needed to get a part that was maybe better for my ctw I would buy a systema part and pay a little more for one part. The game I went to this sunday had ptw and ctw owners and I must say even with my no hop up seal so I had horrid fps and range. Other than that on that day I had no issues but ptws were having crazy issues left and right. One guy with a ptw even said to me I'm buying a ctw cause this things a pain and I'm not spending 100 more for a systema part when celcius parts are cheaper.
• Systema bodies are not stronger but the tolerances are tighter. I've seen a Systema lower break after falling off a table. The lower cracked just under where the buffer tube attaches. The only improvement is an aftermarket CNC'd body set $200+
• My CTW bevel gear separated into to pieces. Celcius part was $38 Systema Part was $44. I bought the Systema ... no problems since then.
• Celcius Parts might be cheaper but what is their MTBF (mean time between failure) compared to the same Systema produced part ?
• One of the good things about the Celcius/Systema competition is that third party aftermarket parts are becoming available. Case in point the JG PTW motor is being used by 3 of my teamates in their PTWs with NO problems. Systema Motor $290, Celcius Motor $100 ... JG Motor $90

Odin wrote:But with that said, i wouldn`t recommend a CTW OR a PTW for people who don`t know how to fix or mod a airsoft gun. But again,thats what i think..
Odin is 100% right about this. CTW and PTW are not beginner guns. They don't fail less because they cost X times more than a regular AEG. Think of it this way a Ferarri costs way more than a Toyota Camry. Ferarri performs better BUT requires more gas, more ex$pensive tires, more money to maintain and proabbly breaks down more. Put gas and change the oil in a Camry and that sucker will drive FOR-FREAKIN-EVER.

If you've never built/shimmed a gearbox, cleaned a motor, or know how to solder you "probably" should cut your teeth on something other than a CTW/PTW

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